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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's kind of like country radio/fans are saying "we made them what they are and we can tear them down."
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, country fans don't hesitate for a minute to stick a boot in your a**.

I remember buying a Donna Fargo album as a kid, my Dad listened to Glen Campbell all the time, I went to see Ronnie Milsap at the county fair when I was a teenager. I considered myself a 'fan' of country music. The 70's and 80's took me away from country music and in the 90's the Dixie Chicks brought me back in.

When I hear people say the country music fans no longer want the Chicks, I'm floored because I thought I was a country music fan but I don't feel the same way about the Chicks. I can't fit into the country music box anymore or maybe I've learned I never really fit into the box to begin with. Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eaglemom wrote:
Yep, country fans don't hesitate for a minute to stick a boot in your a**.

I remember buying a Donna Fargo album as a kid, my Dad listened to Glen Campbell all the time, I went to see Ronnie Milsap at the county fair when I was a teenager. I considered myself a 'fan' of country music. The 70's and 80's took me away from country music and in the 90's the Dixie Chicks brought me back in.

When I hear people say the country music fans no longer want the Chicks, I'm floored because I thought I was a country music fan but I don't feel the same way about the Chicks. I can't fit into the country music box anymore or maybe I've learned I never really fit into the box to begin with. Confused


One of the things that is unique about country music and country fans is a real connection between the fans and the artists. Fan Fair in Nashville is something that rock music would NEVER think to do -- the thought of sitting in a booth for hours and hours, while your fans come by and have their photo taken with you, chat, bring things for autographs, and so on, just wouldn't be "cool." Country fans think of their favorite stars as members of the family, almost. And vice versa. Country artists are very conscious of their fans and very appreciative. This is something rock stars may never learn - but then, most rock stars might not have the lengthy career that country artists generally do.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2006/06/15/bmdixie15.xml

At the end of this story is a link to what Elton had to say a few years ago. Go Reg!!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Money talks, unfortunately! If you've got plenty then you can afford to be outspoken and to hell with the consequences because you're insulated. If you're on the way up in your career then you maybe have to weigh up the odds and consider the commercial consequences of everything you say and do. Bring back the early Laurel Canyon days I say Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don said at the B'ham concert Tuesday evening before they played HITW, hope you don't Dixie Chick me for when he said something about hoping soon for a better leader to run the country than the one we have now. Big cheers from the crowd, do you remember this WB?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep - but he has both plenty of money and a WTF attitude to go with it Wink It will be interesting to see what happens at Twickenham when both DCs and Eagles are there. Two shows for the price of one I think.

Most non-Americans, even conservatives, are not gonna be bothered about the patriotism issues; they are gonna be there for the music. Most of the world logically regrets the Iraq war aftermath as well as 9/11 and all the other conflicts carried out in the name of whatever God you support Wink Take a UN flag and wave it - not even Don can complain about that Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly - that's right. The people behind me actually found the "dixie chick" term quite funny!

Well, we'll see on Saturday how the Eagles/Dixie Chicks line up goes and how well it goes down with the crowd..... I agree it will be interesting and i'll be able to report back as best as I can seeing i'll be there. Wink Obviously there'll be other fan reviews before I do mine as I won't be back until very late Sunday evening from the trip.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't it Don who once sang "We would sing right out loud, the things we could not say"? It's like we're back in the repressive spirit of 1969 - and yet Bush's numbers are still low, despite killing Al Z and then running off to Baghdad to look good.

Btw, caught some of that Anne Coulter moron last night - woke up and she was in my face on Leno before I grabbed the remote and disposed of her. I didn't see George Carlin though.

The double bill at Twickers will be interesting. Hopefully the DCs will get more European dates out of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe Walsh seems to have just said that Neil Young's Living with War is not getting played on radio much in US because the stations are frightened any airplay wil upset the adminitsration and they will have their licences withdrawn by the federal broadcasting commission (?). Isn't this blatant censorship?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were it true, yes of course. But since it isn’t true, no.

Apparently Joe has joined the Chicks, Elton, and the press on the list of people who still don’t get it. If you say and do things that your audience doesn’t like......then they aren’t going to like you. Smile It’s no more complicated or sinister than that. If your audience is 1970 hippies, then yeah, protest songs are gonna be great. If your audience is 2005 middle America, then rudely insulting the president isn’t gonna sell a lot of records.

The administration and the FCC doesn’t like bare nipples on the most watched TV broadcast of the year. They don’t give a flying f*ck about Neil, or the Chicks, or Springsteen. The arrogance and presumptive self importance of some of these artists is hilarious.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like it's maybe one of those 3 sides to every story situations then Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Radio is becoming secondary to the internet for exposure to music these days. I listen to a lot of music on the internet, and I don't bother with radio, except for news radio when I'm in the car.

I don't think Neil was unhappy with the resulting sales and he's going to continue to play the songs on the upcoming CSN&Y tour. Their audience is definitely middle America - maybe not country fans, is all.

It's nothing to do with real fans not liking the music or the statements made, it's just that radio is and always has been controlling and repressive when it is managed by giant corporations who are jammed firmly up the administration's rear-end.

The DCs have sold nearly one million CDs thus far - it's not a sales issue with them, it's because country radio is continuing to boycott them, which includes running ads for concerts, and there's their trouble.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think radio is controlling and repressive because it’s BIG business and that’s the nature of big business. Big business doesn’t take chances. They play it safe and they go for the sure thing. It’s got nothing to do with this administration or any administration. They’ve decided that the safe play is to cut loose SOME hardcore Chicks fans in order to keep a LARGER number of other listeners from turning the dial.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I began my music career here in the States in radio promotion, so I'm well aware of the structure that has unfortunately taken over. I'm also happy to see that the a new head of the FCC has been recently appointed. Radio was becoming crooked, as well as repressive, again. Eliot Spitzer has been doing some very useful work in this area - with both the big record companies and the radio conglomerates. Keep it up!

FM radio, when it started out, was NOT big business oriented at all (I was Assistant National FM Director at Elektra) - and without it, we would have none of the big 70s acts who are still enjoying success today, thanks to early exposure on FM radio. I recommend, if you can find it on DVD, the movie "FM' - produced by Irving Azoff, btw. Satellite radio is a good idea, and I believe it's Sirius that is headed by Lee Abrams, who was one of the early FM pioneers. Nobody can tell Sirius or XM what to play, because of the lack of advertisers, though I think they are starting to encroach on XM.

I sincerely hope that repressive radio programming goes the way of the Edsel.

The FCC is very much controlled and part of whatever administration is in power. This has nothing to do with Dubya, just the way it is. There's huge tax revenue in communications, which the government really appreciates!
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